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Poster: high flow Date: Jun 14, 2010 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

Yeah. Awesome. Say goodbye to 5/15/70 on this site. Publish a portion and pull-down the remainder from LMA. Woo-f*cking-hoo. Thanks fellas.

Of course I already have a lossless copy, but it's a shame that this show will not be available(here at LMA) to future listeners.

This post was modified by high flow on 2010-06-14 22:20:21

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 14, 2010 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

Well it is a shame that it won't be available here but based on that logic i guess they should never release anything, right? I guess those folks will only have 1500 other shows fall in love with. I would start with 5-1-70, it is a better acoustic set and if they really love it perhaps they will be inspired to purchase DP8 or RT3-3.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 14, 2010 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

Good point!

Better grab this before it goes away! Even if you are ordering!

The tracks not included are certainly worth having, even though most are repeated during the late set:

Friend of the Devil
Candyman (x2)
Cumberland Blues
Cold Jordan
Easy Wind
Attics of My Life

Sadly the dynamite New Riders sets will likely go away as well. So grab these, at least for the gems Mama Tried, Sawmill and and Me and My Uncle with Weir sitting in!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 14, 2010 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

Why can't the New Riders set exist at the New Riders site in the LMA?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 14, 2010 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

No reason why it can't! But will it?

And if "A Voice From on High" with Marmaduke and Dave Nelson sitting in can be included in this RT release, couldnt Mama Tried, Sawmill and/or Me and My Uncle have been included as well?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 14, 2010 6:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

Let's hope so. The 5-2-70 set is there so it wouldn't be unprecedented.

On a completely different note, have you checked out the listening party for RT3-3? Maybe its me but it sounds like crap!! I hope this is some issue of low bit rate streaming.

As for releasing this show as a boxed set, there are so many other boxed sets I would rather see (the French '72 shows, Winterland '74 to name a few) so I am fine with a 3+ release of this, as long as it sounds better than what I hear on that listening party.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jun 15, 2010 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

You're right, it does sound like crap, and I think you're also right in that it has to be the bitrate. The circulating copy sounds much, much better than this garbage.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jun 14, 2010 7:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

Have any shows with guest artists other than Cippolina been released commercially? I've always assumed there would be sticky rights issues that it wasn't worth their trouble to deal with, when there are so many other recordings worth releasing.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jun 15, 2010 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

I know Ned Lagin performed with the dead on 9/11/74, and a few of the numbers from that show (including playing in the band) appear on DP7. Does anyone know if Ned actually plays on that release?

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 15, 2010 9:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

I don't think he plays on any of the songs on DP 7.

9/11-best Eyes of the year? Hard to beat that jam>eyes.jam>wharf rat.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jun 15, 2010 7:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

Once again, I am in awe of the LMA braintrust. Thanks.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 15, 2010 4:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

Well Lou, "A Voice From on High" with Marmaduke and Dave Nelson sitting is included on this release. And they appear on the "Cold Jordon" on DP #8 asell.

Also, the Bo Diddley set is included in DP #30 (3/25/72)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 15, 2010 6:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

While not a show, Without a Net has the Eyes with Branford Marsalis and Rockin' the Cradle and RT1-4 both have Hamza. Lee Oskar on RT1-4 as well.

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2010-06-15 13:24:07

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 15, 2010 1:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

Kindof a shame they didn't include Attics.

Also, apparently the currently circulating versions are all missing Deep Elem from the late show. I never knew that. Dunno if it's enough to convince people to spend 20 something bucks for a 3 minute tune they didn't already have on their circulating copy, but it's worth mentioning.

I too wonder about that cut in St. Stephen. I'm sure it's probably covered. It seems to me that that is a big deciding factor in what they release. It seems that if there is a cut and they can't cleverly disguise it, they usually don't release it (or go the partial route). Though I was REALLY surprised when they released parts of 8/6/74 (of course, "parts," never complete, an argument that both sides have valid points, but personally I'm in the "release complete shows" camp) that they actually used an AUD patch. That's the only case of them doing that that I can think of.

That was a big bummer for me with the "Other One" bonus track from 9/3/72 that was on the 9/21/72 Dick's Pick. There is something like 1:12 missing, and they just cleverly smoothed it over, you wouldn't even notice if you didn't know it was there. I may be nitpicking, but that 1:12 was actually one of my favorite parts of the jam, Bobby plays these really cool chords that are burned into my memory.

I like to support the band and all, but between the "hidden" costs of collecting music like internet, blanks, electricity, etc, I don't think I will buy this one. The Dark Star is good but otherwise these aren't shows I listen to very much. They're ok, but not something I'd get all hot and bothered about an official release like I did with 2/14/68 or something.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 15, 2010 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

I think they've used AUD patches occasionally before....the 7-31-71 Dark Star for instance, and wasn't there one for the 10-21-78 Stella as well? (But yes, sometimes they do 'snips' too, especially in the early DPs.)

Anyway, I believe 5-15-70 is one of those dates which have TWO sources - the Dead have their own tapes, and the Fillmore crew was also secretly taping. I think the secret Fillmore reels are the ones that circulated. So (aside from the missing songs) there shouldn't be any cuts.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 15, 2010 10:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

I dunno, I don't remember an aud patch on the 7/31 Dark Star, I'll have to pull that one out. You're probably right.

I did not get any of the official releases of the October 78 shows, couldn't tell ya about that.

Oh yeah, I forgot, the circulating 5/15/70 is from different, non-vault reels. Are they the same mix, I wonder? Same feed, different deck?

I keep meaning to see if the patch was covered in the PITBand from the new patched version of Miller's 12/19/73 (the first example of a "snip" on an official release, perhaps? there are others but I can't think of them now). We were all so focused on the missing bass solo that I think we all forgot about the reel flip in Playin'. In both cases, from listening to the DP I had no clue there was anything missing. It was only a couple years ago when I first heard the aud that I noticed the missing bass solo and patched it in myself.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jun 15, 2010 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

attics appears to be on the bonus disc.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 15, 2010 10:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

I just thought of something, wasn't the 5/15 Attics filler on the Golden Road box set version of American Beauty?

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jun 14, 2010 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

"Say goodbye to 5/15/70 on this site."

somehow i keep forgetting about that end result ... i guess that means it's only a partial archive of sorts

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 14, 2010 7:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

" Of course I already have a lossless copy, but it's a shame that this show will not be available(here at LMA) to future listeners."

yeah but if you don't already have it ( like who do we know here that doesn't? ) then that's the perfect excuse to buy it

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Poster: high flow Date: Jun 14, 2010 10:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

When you have gigs upon gigs of GD music and little disposable income, it's tough to justify the expense. Hell, with the existence of this archive and it's wealth of top-notch recordings it's tough to justify spending any money on music. I'll pay to see it live. Period. I'm often enticed to see a band live by way of free music on the web. That's the reality that the recording industry must deal with.

P.S. - The last album which moved me to the point I felt behooved to purchase the CD at full-price was Tom Russell's Hotwalker. And I usually buy a CD when I see a band I like at a bluegrass festival or local joint. $15 bucks for the touring band is always do-able. $25 for something I already have is a little insane.

Just one man's opinion.

This post was modified by high flow on 2010-06-15 05:45:15

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Poster: mickmac Date: Jun 14, 2010 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

definitely here ya jots. i do buy wilco black keys etc who i feel are the cutting edge of new sounds. include band of horses and especially CLUTCH in there. but from the late 60s i have to have the new ddead or zappa record its ingrained. no rhyme or reas

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Poster: mickmac Date: Jun 14, 2010 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Road Trips 5-15-70!!!!!!!!

reason just got to.